Interview A Journey Beyond the Veil Part 1
By T.I. Team · 2025-09-23
This is part 1 of a very extensive interview with our Headmaster White Sortiarius. This is the first time he has opened himself and talked freely to the public for a Spanish specialized magazine. The interview was conducted by Lucien Veyron, demonologist, Specialist in Ars Goetia Demonology.
Lucien Veyron:
Headmaster Sortiarius, it is a true privilege to speak with you today. To begin, could you share with us how you first became involved with Ars Goetia demonology?
White Sortiarius:
Thank you, Lucien. My initiation into the world of demonology was not the result of a singular event or discovery — it is, in fact, my inheritance. I come from a family tradition where working with demons and other spirits is daily bread, an integrated part of life as natural as breathing. Since childhood, I was taught to perceive the unseen, to respect it, and to engage with it through disciplined practice. My early lessons involved not just the Ars Goetia, but a broader tapestry of spirits across different planes. Yet, the Goetia held a special place — they are the fierce guardians of secret knowledge, and from an early age, I understood that to walk beside them required both humility and precision.
Lucien Veyron:
Which demon was the first you connected with, and what was that experience like?
White Sortiarius:
The first formal connection I experienced was with Prince Stolas. It was arranged by my mentor, a relative who guided my early practices. We conducted a traditional evocation at night, under carefully chosen astrological conditions. The experience was not what one might expect — it was profoundly serene. Stolas appeared not in monstrous form, but as a luminous, owl-like intelligence, radiating deep cosmic wisdom. He revealed to me maps of the stars, the hidden properties of stones, and the unseen flow of energies between celestial bodies. It was a communion, not a confrontation. From that moment onward, I understood that the demons of the Ars Goetia are not defined by the fears projected onto them, but by their capacity to unlock dormant knowledge within the seeker.
Lucien Veyron:
How do you personally define a demon compared to mainstream religious interpretations?
White Sortiarius:
The mainstream interpretation — a demon as a purely malevolent being — is a distortion born of ignorance and fear. From my family’s lineage and my personal experiences, I understand demons as potent, autonomous intelligences that exist outside human morality. They are neither good nor evil in the human sense; they are primordial forces, capable of both destruction and profound creation. In truth, they mirror the one who summons them. Those who approach them with arrogance or fear receive chaos; those who come with respect and strength find guidance, empowerment, and revelation. The Ars Goetia demons, in particular, are the custodians of lost arts, spiritual alchemy, and the hidden architecture of power.
Lucien Veyron:
Are there any common myths about Ars Goetia demons that you would like to dispel?
White Sortiarius:
Absolutely. One of the most damaging myths is the idea that demons seek to enslave or destroy their summoners. This fear-based narrative has severed many from understanding their true spiritual potential. The demons, especially those of the Ars Goetia, operate by laws of honor, pact, and balance. They will respond in kind to the summoner’s energy and intent. Another misconception is that working with them is "quick magic" — a shortcut to wealth, power, or revenge. In reality, they demand discipline, transformation, and often dismantle falsehoods in the summoner’s life before granting any external success. They are not wish-granters; they are initiators into deeper layers of truth.
Lucien Veyron:
Have you ever had a summoning experience that completely surprised or challenged your expectations?
White Sortiarius:
Yes — many times. One that remains vivid is an evocation of Marquis Andras, who is often depicted as a spirit of discord and warfare. I approached the ritual prepared for violent, chaotic energy. Instead, I was met with profound silence and an intense inner confrontation. Andras dismantled the layers of conflict within my own heart, revealing that the true battlefield was internal. He exposed personal hypocrisies, hidden fears, and unresolved emotional wounds. The encounter was humbling and transformative. It taught me that the true danger in Goetia work is not the demon — it is the self that the demon unearths and forces into the light.
Lucien Veyron:
How would you describe the difference between summoning and forming a working relationship with a demon?
White Sortiarius:
Summoning is merely the knocking at the threshold — a formal request for presence. Forming a working relationship, however, is akin to cultivating a sacred bond. It requires time, offerings, mutual trust, and above all, consistency. Within my family tradition, we understood that spirits, like humans, value sincerity. If a relationship is cultivated with patience and respect, the demon will offer teachings, guardianship, and sometimes even patronage. If approached only when needed, and abandoned thereafter, the connection withers, and the spirit may withhold its gifts. True demonology is relational, not transactional.
Lucien Veyron:
Do you believe demons choose to work with us, or do we choose them?
White Sortiarius:
It is a dance between the two. There are times when the seeker feels drawn to a particular demon without understanding why — an ancient resonance calling across lifetimes. Other times, a demon may reach out first, offering subtle signs and openings. In my own practice, it is common for both factors to be present: an initial spark of curiosity or pull from my side, and a responding presence from theirs. Relationships with spirits are often predestined, woven into the fabric of the soul’s journey.
Lucien Veyron:
Have you noticed specific signs when a demon is trying to contact you, outside of ritual?
White Sortiarius:
Undoubtedly. In my family's teachings, we were trained to observe the “language of the unseen.” Signs can appear through dreams laden with particular symbols — serpents, crowns, black feathers, or mirrors are common. Animals may behave oddly. Numbers and synchronicities appear repeatedly. Emotional states can shift dramatically without cause, signaling the presence of a foreign yet familiar energy. Even technology may flicker, distort, or fail at key moments. Recognizing these patterns and confirming them through divination ensures that the contact is genuine and not merely psychological noise.
Lucien Veyron:
How has your work with Ars Goetia demons changed your daily life or mindset?
White Sortiarius:
It has transformed my existence at every level. My thoughts, choices, and perceptions are no longer governed by societal expectations or unconscious fears. Working daily with these entities demands relentless authenticity — there is no room for self-delusion. I live with a deep sense of sovereignty, strategic foresight, and inner balance that was forged through both trials and triumphs in the unseen realms. Every success and every failure has been magnified under their gaze, offering either elevation or hard-earned wisdom. In a word, the work has rendered me profoundly free.
Lucien Veyron:
What role do dreams or visions play in your communication with demons?
White Sortiarius:
Dreams and visions are vital conduits. Within them, language, time, and physical laws dissolve, allowing the demon’s true essence to communicate unfiltered. My family maintained dream journals with the same discipline as ritual records. Visions during trance or ritual offer maps, keys, and warnings that words alone cannot convey. Some of the greatest teachings I have received — entire magical systems and invocations — have come through dream transmissions. Ignoring dreams in demonology is like ignoring half of the dialogue being offered by the spirits.